According to Islam, Turks can't be Muslims even they want it

[metalheart]

''Muslims ! The doomsday won't come until the Turks will be killed.''
(Müslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/62-65, saying #:2912; Ebu Davud, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Melahim/9 Babun fi Kıtali't Türk, saying #: 4303; Nesei, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Cihad/ Babu Gazveti't-Türk)
Almost everybody knows that the god of the old testament is very racist.Some researchers defend that this characteristic of this god is very useful for Judaism.But this is also a reality:Today, the god of the old testament has something to do with the antihumanistic,merciless behavior of the jewesh people.
The racism of the Quran's god
Although everybody knows the racism of the old testament's,most of the people don't notice the racism of the Quran's god.And even some goodwilling intellectal people think that Quran and his god are universal.However the Quran's god is a copy of the old testament's.It's possible to notice that from introducing the jewesh people of Quran's god.
According to the Quran the most ascendent people are the jewesh people.
Some people can be surprised.But it's true.Here are the verses:the Quran's god says like the ols testament's god in the verses:
''Jewesh people ! Remember the benefaction I gave to you and that I made you predominant to the worlds.''(Sura Bakara, verse: 47, 122. translation of the govermental religion dapartment of turkey)
On one hand antisemitism, on the other hand the calling of the Quran's god to the jewesh people like this.This is a paradox.Let's pass this...
Noone except Arabs are concerned
A lot of thing are told in the Quran.Today the sources are known.But it's presented these are from god.This is between god and people, in a better way, some people in their presented this as a delegate ''god's delegate'' in a communityor in a part of a community.also called '' prophet''.
It's told in the Quran: God makes this explanation:
'' We sent every prophet to his community in their language.We made like this on purpose, so he can explain this to the people of his community''(Sura İbrahim, verse: 4)
That means according to the Quran: the *god's delegate has a community.The delegate makes his job between the god and and the community which has the same race as the delegate.He is responsible to deliver messages to this ''community'' '' in their language''.This is what told in the Quran.According to this Mohammed had the same responsibility.He has a community and he is a ''delegate'' between his god and his community.
From the "KITALUT-TURK" ("KILLING TURKS") sayings.. at the end turks will be cut...(Ebu Davud, Kitabu'l-Cihad/9, saying #:4305.)
In the whole summary of the Quran, there are told about Mohammed's community and god's revelations,which Mohammed *had to deliver to his community.So the *collocutors are these people.according to his own words the Quran is arabic, the people to whom the quran was sent are Arabs.But not all the Arabs, just a part of them.
Intimidation is only for Mekka and its neighborhood
Verses are very clear.According to Sura Enam, verse: 92 and Sura Şura, verse: 7; the warnings and the intimidations are for Mekka and its neighborhood without doubt.Yes the Quran concernes Mekka and its neighborhood.Today the people from other communities who call themselves Muslims don't belong to this.the case is very clear.There are also other verses which tell Mohammed is all peoples prophet in the world and Quran is for all people in the world.There are a few paradoxes in the Quran.From other communities ,like Turks became Muslims, actually they assumed as they are Muslims, but the important thing is which people are Muslims for the Quran.
Especially there are sayings about Turks.In the book '' The Arabic Nationalism and Turks'' of the braveheart Prof.Dr.İlhan Arsel are many of them which include very bad things for Turks.(Istanbul,1987,Inkilap publish house, page 18)
Mohammed's hostility again Turks
Mohammed called Turks as enemies even they call themselves Muslims.In the prophet sayings books which are strongly accepted in the Islamic world we can read them.As a chapter strangely called ''Kıtalu't-Turk'' which means ''Kıllıng Turks''.In the books of Buhar, Ebu Davud and Tirmizi the chapters have the same name.In the book of Ibn Mace the chapter is called '' Babu't-Turk'' which means ''Turks Part'', in the book of Muslim it can be found in the chapter '' The Doomsday's Signs''.
While Mohammed was informing people *about the future as a proof for his prophecy, he explained how to fight the Turks and how the Muslims are going to kill the Turks as a sign for the doomsday.He called them Turks , he also described them with their faces, eyes, noses, skins and colours.As we can see he was informed somehow.According to his sayings the fight against Turks last till the doomsday.As a sign for the doomsday Muslims will kill all the Turks on the earth.Else the doomsday won't come.Here are some sayings:
-Muslims ! The doomsday won't come till the Turks were killed.their faces are like shields, their skins are thick.....they wear bristle.( Müslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/62-65, saying #:2912; Ebu Davud, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Melahim/9 Babun fi Kıtali't Türk, saying #: 4303; Nesei, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Cihad/ Babu Gazveti't-Türk...)
-If you (Muslims) don't kill these little eyed, pug nosed, shield faced, thick skinned people , the doomsday won't come.(Buhari, e's-SAhih, Kitabu'l-Cihad/96; Müslim, e's-Sahih, kitabu'l-Fiten/62 saying #: 2912; Ebu Davud, Sünen, saying #: 4304; Tirmizi, saying #: 2251; İbn Mace, saying #: 4096-4099)
-The slaughter against turks will occur.(Buhari, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Cihad/96)
-This is also a sign for the doomsday: You will fight people who wear shoes which are
made from bristle and kill them.The fight against the people with wide shield faces is a sign for the doomsday.The doomsday won't come until you don't kill the little eyed, red face, pug nosed, shield faced, thick skinned Turks.."( Buhari, e's-Sahih, kitabu'l-Cihad/95; Müslüm, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/66, saying #: 2912; İbn Mace, saying #: 4097-4098).
-You (Muslims) and the little eyed people ,Turks ; are going to fight.You are going to run after them 3 times.Finally you are going to meet them in the Arabic peninsula.At the 1st who can run away they escape.At the 2nd some can escape some are will be killed.At the 3rd all of them will be destroyed.."(Ebu Davud, sünen, saying #: 4305.)
These are the thoughts of Mohammed for the people who call him our holy prophet *today.
No matter to which race they belong, what skin colour they have, in which religion they believe, or even they don't believe in anything, we should see people just as they are.But religions,racists and fundamentalists don't think like this.Jews,Christians and Muslims are enemies for eachother.Racists also act like this.This uncivilisation has a big role in all these sad things.Our mankind should purify itself from all those things.Else mercilessness,sadness,tears will last forever.
İlla hatalar olmuştur ..düzeltmelere şimdiden teşekkür ederim...
sevgiler & saygılar

[vartor]

‘‘Muslims! The doomsday won't come until the Turks are all killed.''
(Müslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/62-65, saying #:2912; Ebu Davud, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Melahim/9 Babun fi Kıtali't Türk, saying #: 4303; Nesei, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Cihad/ Babu Gazveti't-Türk)
Almost everybody knows that the god of the Old Testament is very racist. Some researchers defend that this characteristic of this god is very useful for Judaism. But this is also a reality: Today, the god of the Old Testament has something to do with the anti humanistic, merciless behaviour of the Jewish people.
The racism of the Quran's god
Although everybody knows the racism of the Old Testament’s, most of the people don't notice the racism of the Quran's god. And even some god willing intellectual people think that Quran and his god are universal. However the Quran's god is a copy of the Old Testament’s. It's possible to notice that from introducing the Jewish people of Quran's god.
According to the Quran the most ascendant people are the Jewish people.
Some people can be surprised. But it's true. Here are the verses: the Quran's god says like the old testament's god in the verses:
''Jewish people ! Remember the benefaction I gave to you and that I made you predominant to the world.''(Sura Bakara, verse: 47, 122. translation of the governmental religion department of turkey)
On one hand Antisemitism, on the other hand the calling of the Quran's god to the Jewish people like this. This is a paradox. Let's pass this...
No one except Arabs are concerned
A lot of thing are told in the Quran. Today the sources are known. But it's presented these are from god. This is between god and people, in a better way, some people in their presented this as a delegate ''god's delegate'' in a community or in a part of a community also called '' prophet''.
It's told in the Quran: God makes this explanation:
'' We sent every prophet to his community in their language. We made like this on purpose, so he can explain this to the people of his community’’ (Sura İbrahim, verse: 4)
That means according to the Quran: the god’s delegate has a community. The delegate makes his job between the god and the community which has the same race as the delegate. He is responsible to deliver messages to this ''community'' '' in their language''. This is what told in the Quran. According to this Mohammed had the same responsibility. He has a community and he is a ''delegate'' between his god and his community.
From the "KITALUT-TURK" ("KILLING TURKS") sayings; at the end Turks will be cut.(Ebu Davud, Kitabu'l-Cihad/9, saying #:4305.)
In the whole summary of the Quran, there are told about Mohammed's community and god's revelations, which Mohammed had to deliver to his community. So the * collocutors are these people. According to his own words the Quran is Arabic, the people to whom the Quran was sent are Arabs, but not to all of the Arabs, just a small section of them.
Intimidation is only for Mecca and its neighbourhood
Verses are very clear. According to Sura Enam, verse: 92 and Sura Şura, verse: 7; the warnings and the intimidations are for Mecca and its neighborhood without doubt. Yes the Quran concerns Mecca and its neighborhood. Today the people from other communities who call themselves Muslims don't belong to this the case is very clear. There are also other verses which tell Mohammed is all peoples prophet in the world and Quran is for all people in the world. There are a few paradoxes in the Quran. From other communities like Turks became Muslims, actually they assumed as they are Muslims, but the important thing is which people are the real Muslims for the Quran.
Especially when there are bad sayings about Turks, in the book '' The Arabic Nationalism and Turks” by Prof. Dr. İlhan Arsel
Mohammed's hostility again Turks
Mohammed called Turks as enemies even they call themselves Muslims. In the prophet sayings books which are strongly accepted in the Islamic world we can read them. As a chapter strangely called *''Kıtalu't-Turk'' which means ''Kıllıng Turks''. In the books of Buhar, Ebu Davud and Tirmizi the chapters have the same name. In the book of Ibn Mace the chapter is called '' Babu't-Turk'' which means ''Turks Part'', in the book of Muslim, it can be found in the chapter '' The Doomsday's Signs''.
While Mohammed was informing people about the future as a proof for his prophecy, he explained how to fight the Turks and how the Muslims are going to kill the Turks as a sign for the doomsday. He called them Turks; he also described them with their faces, eyes, noses, skins and colours. As we can see he was informed somehow. According to his sayings the fight against Turks last till the doomsday. As a sign for the doomsday Muslims will kill all the Turks on the earth. Else the doomsday won't come. Here are some sayings:
-Muslims! The doomsday won't come till the Turks were killed. their faces are like shields, their skins are thick.....they wear bristle.( Müslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/62-65, saying #:2912; Ebu Davud, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Melahim/9 Babun fi Kıtali't Türk, saying #: 4303; Nesei, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Cihad/ Babu Gazveti't-Türk...)
-If you (Muslims) don't kill these little eyed, pug nosed, shield faced, thick skinned people , the doomsday won't come.(Buhari, e's-SAhih, Kitabu'l-Cihad/96; Müslim, e's-Sahih, kitabu'l-Fiten/62 saying #: 2912; Ebu Davud, Sünen, saying #: 4304; Tirmizi, saying #: 2251; İbn Mace, saying #: 4096-4099)
-The slaughter against Turks will occur.(Buhari, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Cihad/96)
-This is also a sign for the doomsday: You will fight people who wear shoes which are
made from bristle and kill them. The fight against the people with wide shield faces is a sign for the doomsday. The doomsday won't come until you don't kill the little eyed, red face, pug nosed, shield faced, thick skinned Turks.."( Buhari, e's-Sahih, kitabu'l-Cihad/95; Muslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/66, saying #: 2912; İbn Mace, saying #: 4097-4098).
-You (Muslims) and the little eyed people Turks are going to fight. You are going to run after them 3 times. Finally you are going to meet them in the Arabic peninsula. At the 1st whoever can run away, they escape. At the 2nd some can escape and some will be killed. At the 3rd all of them will be destroyed.(Ebu Davud, sünen, saying #: 4305.)
These are the thoughts of Mohammed for the people who call him our holy prophet today.
No matter to which race they belong, what skin color they have, in which religion they believe, or even if they don't believe in anything, we should see people just as they are. But fanatic religious people, racists and fundamentalists don't think the same way. Jews, Christians and Muslims are enemies for each other. Mankind should purify itself from all those madness, else mercilessness, sadness, tears will last forever.
*Sevgili metalheart, imla hatalarini biraz duzelttim, ancak mana hatalarina henuz bakamadim, koyu mavi kismi anlamakta zorlandim..
*Ellerine saglik, hemen ise koyulmussun.
Tekrar tesekkurler.

[3.yol]

Hizlica okudum, guzel olmus eline saglik metalheart.
Yalnizca birkac yerde duzeltme gerekebilir, daha yakindan bakip onerilerimi yazacagim ilk firsatta.

Saygilar,

[metalheart]

teşekkür ederim arkadaşlar...
üni biteli 15 sene olmuş umarım fazlaca hata olmamıştır...:)
düzeltmeleri bekliyorum...
yapabileceğim başka konular bekliyorum.

sevgiler & saygılar

[3.yol]

Sevgili metalheart,
Hayir , bence fazlaca bir hata yok. Olanlar da genelde yazim hatasi gibi kucuk hatalar.
Izninle senin cevirinde biraz uslubu degistirdim. Benim ceviri "M'nin cinsel hayati 1 ve 2 " makale listesinin en ustunde oldugu icin *usluplarda butunlugu korumak amaciyla birkac gun senin cevirin uzerinde calistim. Sirasiyla diger arkadaslarinki uzerinde de calisacagim vakit buldukca.

Mutlaka benim de yanlislarim olacaktir, herkesin oldugu gibi. O yuzden "proof reading" , unlu bir yazar bile olsa *yazan kisi, *hatalari bulmak ve duzeltmek icin gerekli. Bunu hic unutmamak gerekiyor.

Saygilar, emegin icin de tesekkurler,

[metalheart]

sevgili 3.yol
rica ederim ne demek zevkti..

bekliyorum yenilerini..
sana da kolay gelsin.

sevgiler & saygılar...

[3.yol]

ACCORDING TO ISLAM, TURKS CAN’T BE MUSLIMS EVEN THEY WANT TO BE

‘‘Muslims! The doomsday won't come until the Turks are all killed.''

(Muslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/62-65, hadith #:2912; Abu Dawod, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Melahim/9 Babun fi Kıtali't Türk, hadith #: 4303; Nesei, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Cihad/ Babu Gazveti't-Turk)

Almost everybody knows that the god of the Old Testament is very racist. Some researchers defend that this characteristic of god is very useful for Judaism. But this is also a reality: The role of god ( Yahweh) , being portrayed as a savage and racist one in Old Testament , cannot be discounted for anti-humanistic and merciless behavior of today’s Jewish people in Israel. *

The racism of the Quran's god

Everybody acknowledges the racism of the Old Testament’s god, but most of the people don't know about the racism of the Quran's. And even some well-intentioned intellectual people think that Quran and his god are universal. However the Quran's god is a copy of the Old Testament’s. This can be derived even from the description of Jewish people by Quran's god.

According to the Quran the most superior community is the Jewish community.

Some people can be surprised. But it's true. Here are the verses: the Quran's god , like the Old Testament's god , addresses at two places ( in Quran) :

'' O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures. ''(Surah Al-Baqara (The Cow) , verses: 47, 122, from M. Pickthal’s translation of Quran)

On one hand Anti-Semitism, on the other hand the calling of the Quran's god to the Jewish people like this. This is a paradox. But let's skip this point , too.

No other community except Arabs are concerned

Various things are told in Quran. Today, the sources are known. But those are presented as being received from god. In between god and people, or rather, according to their times , in between a community or a section of a community and god, there is this “delegate”. He is presented as “god’s delegate” . He is called “prophet”.
As it's told in the Quran: God makes this explanation:

'' And We did not send any messenger but with the language of his people, so that he might explain to them clearly…’’ (Surah İbrahim ( Abraham) , verse: 4, from M. H. Shakir’s translation of Quran)

Therefore, *according to the Quran: the god’s delegate has a community. “The delegate” mediates between god and the community which his race belongs to . He is responsible to deliver messages to this ''community'' '' in their own language''. This is what is told in the Quran. Again, according to this, *Muhammad had the same responsibility, too. He has a community, too and he is the mediator between his god and this community.

From the "KITALUT-TURK" ("WAR WITH TURKS") hadiths: at the end Turks will be slaughtered... (Abu Dawod, Kitabu'l-Cihad/9, hadith #:4305.) *

Throughout *the Quran, Muhammad's tribe , in other words, *his community ,and Muhammad’s obligation to deliver god's revelations to this community , and him having done exactly that are mentioned . So the collocutors are these people. According to his own words the Quran is in Arabic, and the people to whom the Quran addresses are Arabs. But not all of the Arabs, just a small section of them.

Intimidation is only for Mecca and its neighbourhood

Verses are very clear. According to Surah: Al-Anaam (Cattle, Livestock), verse: 92 and Surah: Ash-Shura (council, consultation), verse: 7 : the warnings and the intimidations are , without doubt , for Mecca and its neighborhood. Yes, the Quran addresses only Mecca and its neighborhood. None of the other communities, who today call themselves Muslims, are included. *The case is very clear. There are also other verses which mention that *Muhammad is the prophet to every human and Quran is given to all the people in the world. This contradiction is only one out of the many that exist in Quran. But, it is a fact that the community ,to whom the explanations are given, is the Arab community, and this community consists only the people of Mecca and its vicinity ( not to mention that only the ones who lived during those days). Some people from other communities , and by the way , some among Turks became Muslim. Actually, they counted themselves as Muslims, but the important thing is which people are counted as Muslims in the Quran.

There are hadiths specifically about Turks. These hadiths, which don’t say good things about *Turks, are extensively examined by the honorable and courageous scientist *Prof. Dr. İlhan Arsel in his book '' The Arab Nationalism and Turks” ( İstanbul, 1987, İnkılap Kitabevi, p. 18 and other pages)

Muhammad's hostility against Turks

Muhammad not only didn’t *regard Turks as Muslims ,but also, declared that *they are the “enemy”. This is also mentioned in the collection of most trusted and accepted hadiths in the Islamic world. And as a separate chapter. The name of the chapter is strikingly interesting: ''Kitalu't-Turk'' which means ''Fighting (War) with Turks''. In the books of al-Bukhari, Abu Dawod ( or Abu Da'ud ) and al-Tirmidhi ( or Tirmizi) the chapter has this same name. In the book of Ibn Maja the chapter is called '' Babu't-Turk'' which means ''Chapter about Turks ''. In the book of Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj, it can be found in the chapter '' The Doomsday's Signs''.

While Muhammad was informing people about the future as a proof of his prophecy, he explained how to fight the Turks and how the Muslims are going to kill the Turks as a sign for the doomsday. He not only called them Turks , but also described them by explaining how *their faces, eyes, noses, skins and colors are like. As we can see he was informed somehow. According to Muhammad’s explanation, *the fight against Turks will last till the doomsday. As a sign for the doomsday Muslims will massacre and wipe out *all of the Turks in the world. Or else, the doomsday won't come. Here a section from these hadiths:

-Muslims! The doomsday won't come until the war with Turks. Their faces are like shields, their skins are thick.....they wear bristle.( Muslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/62-65, hadith #:2912; Abu Dawod, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Melahim/9 Babun fi Kıtali't Türk, hadith #: 4303; Nesei, Sünen, Kitabu'l-Cihad/ Babu Gazveti't-Türk...)

-If you (Muslims) don't fight with these little eyed, pug nosed, shield faced, thick skinned people , the doomsday won't come.(Bukhari, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Cihad/96; Muslim, e's-Sahih, kitabu'l-Fiten/62 hadith #: 2912; Abu Dawod, Sünen, hadith #: 4304; Tirmizi, hadith #: 2251; İbn Maja, hadith #: 4096-4099)


From the "KITALUT-TURK" ("WAR WITH TURKS") hadiths : “War with Turks will certainly occur.”… (Bukhari, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Cihad/96)

“This is a sign for the doomsday, too: You will fight the people who wear shoes which are
made from bristle and kill them. The fight against the people with wide shield faces is a sign for the doomsday. The doomsday won't come until you don't kill the little eyed, red face, pug nosed, shield faced, thick skinned Turks.."( Bukhari, e's-Sahih, kitabu'l-Cihad/95; Muslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/66, hadith #: 2912; İbn Maja, hadith #: 4097-4098).

“You (Muslims) and the little eyed people, Turks are going to fight. You are going to run after them 3 times. Finally you are going to meet them in the Arabic peninsula. At first, *whoever can run away will survive. At the second time, *some will escape and some will be killed. At the third time, all of them will be destroyed.(Abu Dawod, sünen, hadith #: 4305.)

These are the thoughts and attitude of Muhammad toward the Turks who call him “our holy prophet, our master” *nowadays.

People must be regarded humanistically , no matter which race they belong to, what skin color they have, or which religion they believe in , or even if they don't believe in anything. But religions , religious people and racists don't regard them in that manner. Jews, Christians and Muslims are enemies against each other. This mentality cannot be totally dismissed as being one of the causes of so many sad events and savagery that are happening all around the world, nowadays . Mankind should purify itself from all those madness, otherwise, savagery , sorrow and tears will last forever.

[vartor]

Tesekkurler ucuncuyol, bu yazilis sekliyle daha da guzel olmus, her ikinizin de ellerine saglik.
* * * *sevgiler.

[metalheart]

3.yol

eline sağlık..
teşekkür ederim..
sevgiler & saygılar..

[dilaver]

fikir birligine vardıysanız ceme haber verin derim. Diger tercümelere de bir el atın ve onları da asalım. Almanca bölümü sizi geçecek gibi . *:lol:


* *saygılarımla

[3.yol]

Sagol Metalheart,
Esas emek sana ait ben sadece uslup da degisiklik yaptim. Vartor sanirim sana baska bir makale verecektir, eger bosta makale kalmissa.

Dilaver,
Almanca ingilizceye gore daha mekanik ve kuralci bir lisan. Ingilizce daha kompleks ve elastik bir lisan, *ayni anlama gelen onlarca kelime olabiliyor ama konuya gore ancak birkac tanesi uygun dusuyor. O yuzden ceviriler daha yavas ilerliyor ingilizcede. Biraz da benim titizligim sebep sanirim.

Saygilar,

[vartor]

Sevgili Metalheard, camurdan yaratilisi cevirir misin?
Bu arada thh'den hala haber yok, ay sonuna kadar mesgul olacagini soylemisti, birkac gun daha bekliyelim, ses cikmazsa tekrar paylasma yapariz, sevgiler...